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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon

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stripler join me as i examine

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unexplained creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explore the unexplained live on

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beyond explanation

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with all the osama cast on paranormal

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king radio network

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i'm your host lon strickler coming to

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you with an enchanted shot of historic

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gettysburg pennsylvania

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and thank you for joining me now before

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phantoms of monsters fortune research

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manuel navrette on ufo clearinghouse

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and uh what happened was a usps

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uh sorting facility employee at o'hare

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recalls her scary encounter with a tall

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red-eyed winged humanoid

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in the parking lot uh

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manuel has scheduled an actual

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face-to-face interview with this this

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and when that's all said and done and

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we'll go ahead and post it on the

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um she states i just left

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and was walking out to my car when i saw

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lot where i usually park now at first i

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very tall person with a long coat

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car which caused my headlights to come

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about 20 to 25 foot from my car

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causing it to turn and look right at me

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i saw that this was not some person

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but some red eye being and what appeared

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a coat were actually wings which it

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about seven foot tall

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now this thing then started making

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almost a half chirp and half click like

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but much much faster it then made some

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type of screeching sound

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it got to within 10 foot of me and it

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parking lot and flew down the road until

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said i got home and told my husband who

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i was truly scared and hope i never see

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it again this thing

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i hope the airport people decide to do

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uh and like i said before manuel had

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blog and i'll mention on the next show

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so tonight i welcome pennsylvania ufo

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and anomalies investigator and colleague

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stan gordon to arcane radio

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now stan began his interest in ufo

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subject and other strange incidents

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at the age of 10 in 1959

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ufo's other mysterious events

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in 1965 and is a primary investigator

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of the december 9 1965 ufo crash

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recovery incident that occurred near

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stan is a former pennsylvania state

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and has been involved with the

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investigation of thousands of mysterious

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pennsylvania its three books roy

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mysterious pennsylvania

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solid invasion of the pennsylvania ufo

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stan was recently featured in the small

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town monster film

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on the trail of ufos and stan's website

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at stan gordon dot info so stan

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juana thanks for having me back on the

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program i always enjoy it

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wow we appreciate you coming on uh

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what what's been going on you have

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anything new that you can report to us

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a beam from a headlight like a headlight

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a red one a more of a solid red color

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looking around when something uh

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amy i can compare with would be

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a hawk by about five times the size of a

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it never flapped its wings it just

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soared very quickly

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she watched it going around in the sky

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for a while and suddenly it made a sharp

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and disappears and she had no

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wing reports before that did this thing

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now she said it was more like a huge

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bird and i can with the thunderbird

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these sightings and a lot of the

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historical thunderbird sightings we get

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huge flying creatures that have been

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i mean i've had incidents where on the

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highway they're eating roadkill

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and they're blocking the roads so the

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motorist has to stop their vehicle

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and they're sitting in one case they're

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looking eye to eye

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i have more than one case like that

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there was one amazing case out a number

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of years ago and

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actually in a bordering state of west

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virginia and

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i mean this thing was huge it was it was

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a two-lane road early in the morning in

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daylight

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and it's hopping from one one leg

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together trying to get up off the ground

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because of his huge size

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and the witness was watching these wings

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flapping and there's dust and dirt

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coming up off the end of the road

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and it finally got up over the trees and

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was gone and he was so amazed by what he

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saw but he had a really good idea

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of the wingspan and he went back the

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next day and measured it was 21 feet

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across

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had other reports of wing humanoids

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over the years and i've interviewed

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other people from out of state over the

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years have had something like a huge

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winged humanoid come down right over top

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of their car

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um but i also had that case i looked

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into back in she's one of the 2011

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up in butler county and uh that

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case became uh something of interest a

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lot of people in the field that's they

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end up calling the the buckler gargoyle

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right now um in march of 2011 that was

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between

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shakur and east brady up north of

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pittsburgh up in buffalo county which

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has had a

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very long history of ufo sightings

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bigfoot encounters

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cryptids weird phenomena i mean i was up

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there in the 60s look in the cases and

334
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there have been many many reports

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but um in that particular case the man

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who i've interviewed multitudes of times

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got to know him and his family very well

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he's very professional businessman

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he's riding down the road late that

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night and his headlights

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catch something ahead of him in the

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field to the right

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and he thought at first it was a deer

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and as he pulled up a little closer and

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has his high beams up

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this huge creature suddenly just that

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was hunched down suddenly rises up and

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it was

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very muscular very tall uh he had a

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right in his headlights

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it took three big steps across the road

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and gone into the woods

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and he told me when i interviewed him

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the first time he said he said i've

355
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heard stories of bigfoot in my area but

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he said

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thing's at least eight feet tall

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but it had smooth level like skin that

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was either dark tan or a light brown

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color

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and the head he said was flat in the

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front and rounded out

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kind of like an aerodynamic helmet and

364
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the top was not quite a point but it

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looked like a ridge on top of the head

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the face was flat the eyes were kind of

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swept back

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the ear was long and flat came up and

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back was pointed backwards like a flap

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the arms were muscular he said they were

371
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a little longer than that of a human

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uh it had claws he said the one thing

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that really stood out was its extremely

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muscular legs

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he said the legs look not much different

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than a human

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and that they look like they were bent

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backwards and he said it appeared to

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have wings on its back

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which were tucked into its body with the

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wingtips extending towards the side of

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his head

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and um it walked in front of a big sign

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he went back and measured next day it

385
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was over a foot so this thing was a

386
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little taller than eight feet tall

387
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within days numerous other people

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were reporting the same thing to the

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local local

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uh boru uh research group up there in

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the butler county

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and my understanding is in the last year

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i guess have been last year there were

394
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allegedly more sightings of it

395
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at least a sighting of it in the same

396
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well this this happens to be a phenomena

397
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,920
that it

398
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kind of raises its ugly head every once

399
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:35,680
in a while in pennsylvania now

400
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i do know butler county has had a lot of

401
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strange things happen

402
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and you know of course i had my

403
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:43,040
encounter in 88

404
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with something that was winged and

405
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looked like a humanoid very similar to

406
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what we're seeing out in chicago

407
00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:51,600
but as well i've gotten reports down

408
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here in york and adams county as well

409
00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:57,040
so i don't know it it's kind of bizarre

410
00:16:01,910 --> 00:15:58,480
you know the um

411
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the more recent case that i mentioned to

412
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you all fair

413
00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:05,920
was the um was this

414
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uh cow sized

415
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:12,560
possibly canine type being

416
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:16,079
that was seen near shippensburg

417
00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:18,959
now this guy is a garbage hauler and uh

418
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he was

419
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out before you know early in the morning

420
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:24,399
at work and he saw this thing out in the

421
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,360
field

422
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:27,360
and he said he thought actually it might

423
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have been a cow or a bull out there

424
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:32,399
but he said when it raised up it was

425
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:33,839
muscular

426
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:36,800
and it had that sloping back like what

427
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:37,440
we

428
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:42,000
get descriptions of with these quadruped

429
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:45,600
canine cryptids uh i think i sent that

430
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:47,600
to you at one point so what do you think

431
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,560
about that stamp

432
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:53,040
well i can tell you a line is you know

433
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:55,680
i've been doing this now for 61 years

434
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:57,279
and the more i know about it the

435
00:17:01,749 --> 00:16:58,880
stranger the phenomena is

436
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,759
and there are so many different types of

437
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:03,360
cryptids being reported including what

438
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,559
you described

439
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,880
and a lot of these possible what they

440
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:08,480
call dogman sightings which i think

441
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:08,799
you're

442
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,919
kind of referring to i don't think

443
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,280
they're anything new

444
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,679
i mean if you go back to my my solid

445
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:17,280
invasion book you know which focus on

446
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:18,480
that massive

447
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,559
bigfoot ufo wave here in pennsylvania in

448
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:22,400
73 and the 74.

449
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:24,799
i mean that was the most amazing series

450
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:26,240
of events that went on for months and

451
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,520
months and there were

452
00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:29,679
multitudes of bigfoot sightings went on

453
00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:31,120
many in daylight

454
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,440
and while you had a lot of your

455
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,200
so-called typical

456
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:38,000
bigfoot descriptions being reported

457
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:39,760
there were some variations as well

458
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:41,440
especially people who were

459
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,320
extremely close to these creatures when

460
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:46,320
i started screaming clothes i'm only

461
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,000
within feet and some of those people

462
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,679
were basically looking right into the

463
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,120
face of these things

464
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:55,440
and they're describing uh the head and

465
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,520
the face more like a wolf

466
00:18:02,549 --> 00:17:59,760
with fang like teeth luminous glowing

467
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:02,559
red orangish red glowing eyes

468
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,960
and in some cases people reported that

469
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:06,000
these things

470
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,760
would run for a while upright then they

471
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,200
would get down on all fours

472
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:10,960
and then sometimes get back up again and

473
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,240
run away

474
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:15,200
so i i don't think it's a new phenomena

475
00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:15,760
and

476
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,919
i mean there's all kind of strange

477
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:19,120
things going on out there

478
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,400
it's just incredible i'm actually

479
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:22,160
working on my fourth book

480
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,559
and some of the things in there are just

481
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:26,000
it's incredible

482
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:27,200
and the whole thing is and i'm sure

483
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,080
you'll agree you have so many types of

484
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,840
these strange creatures being reported

485
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:33,600
not only in pennsylvania but around the

486
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:35,120
country and around the world

487
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:38,000
it's just impossible to have so many

488
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:39,760
type of unknown species of animals

489
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,640
running around

490
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,280
but at the same time you've got so many

491
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:45,120
credible eyewitnesses

492
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,640
who have no reason to make up these

493
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:48,559
stories and i'm sure probably the same

494
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:49,360
with you

495
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,840
probably 95 or more of the witnesses i

496
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,640
interview

497
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:54,880
don't want any publicity most of them

498
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,799
would never believe what they saw until

499
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,919
they saw it

500
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,360
many of them had a life-changing

501
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:01,280
experience so there's got to be

502
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:02,720
something else we're dealing with and

503
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:03,440
you know

504
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,240
i started writing about in the 70s some

505
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:08,160
of those very strange case with bigfoot

506
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:09,760
ufo scene together

507
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,960
and other phenomena with a bigfoot being

508
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,559
reported and there's more more this in

509
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,080
more recent years

510
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,720
which continues to suggest that we're

511
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,160
dealing with something that's much

512
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:22,320
stranger than just an unknown animal

513
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:24,320
and once again for lack of a better term

514
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:25,440
i think we're dealing with something

515
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:25,840
that's

516
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,240
interdimensional it has a physical and a

517
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,000
nonstatistical component to it

518
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,000
because of all these cryptics being

519
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,080
reported people are seeing them

520
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:36,400
yeah at times we get some tracks you may

521
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:38,960
get some other physical evidence of time

522
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,120
we never come up with any bodies there's

523
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,799
got to be something else we just don't

524
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,400
understand going on

525
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,640
no absolutely you know you and i have

526
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:48,400
talked about that for

527
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,320
forever it's amazing and and um

528
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,480
you know going back to the this this

529
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,200
canine the cryptic canine sightings

530
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,960
you know these things have been being

531
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,320
seen

532
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,640
you know for hundreds of years quite

533
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,799
frankly here in around pennsylvania

534
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,559
down in maryland i mean you know a lot

535
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,400
of times

536
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,200
uh i think some of the earlier reports

537
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,919
of what people called the dwell

538
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:16,240
were coming out of uh southern

539
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,280
pennsylvania

540
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:20,320
into maryland and these were these

541
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:23,360
uh old world german farmers that moved

542
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,480
into the united states uh they were

543
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:28,720
reporting these beings and

544
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:32,840
basically describing them as similar

545
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,000
types

546
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:37,440
folklorish or some type of canine

547
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:40,480
cryptid mostly upright that they had

548
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,480
encountered over in germany so um

549
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,720
you know you go back and start looking

550
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,120
at those reports and

551
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:51,120
you know it's very similar to what we're

552
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,480
getting now and of course

553
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,000
you know butch and i have been working

554
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:55,679
on these

555
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,640
uh these upright canines and dogman

556
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,120
sightings here in pennsylvania and

557
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,280
there do there there do seem to be two

558
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:04,720
distinct groups here

559
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:08,320
you know the uprights that we call the

560
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,120
lichens

561
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,000
and uh then the quadrupeds which kind of

562
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,240
have that hyena look to it

563
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,720
uh it still has the large head it looks

564
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:17,600
like i had a

565
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:21,360
wolf but uh and there are two camps and

566
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:21,919
i i

567
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,080
you know i uh it's unexplainable but you

568
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:28,400
know you talk about the interdimensional

569
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,520
aspect to this and

570
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,840
you know hopefully i think i hope we get

571
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:36,000
some more information as to being able

572
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,200
to

573
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,559
uh make that theory stick somewhat more

574
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:41,760
than what we know

575
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:45,760
from just what our conjecture

576
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,440
yeah it's um it's just the phenomena

577
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,919
it's so complex and you know i haven't

578
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:53,440
been involved in this for so many years

579
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,240
doing first-hand

580
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,080
interviews with literally thousands of

581
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,280
witnesses over the years

582
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:02,480
when you begin to see the patterns from

583
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,280
years ago

584
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,640
you get down there and you interview

585
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,400
these people in person sometimes

586
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,400
you know my teams back in the 70s and

587
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,559
80s would be on the scene within minutes

588
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,440
of hours

589
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,760
of these incidents in many cases and to

590
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:15,280
see the emotional reaction of the

591
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,320
witnesses

592
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,400
to see how they responded see the animal

593
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,640
reactions that they've seen

594
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,880
sometimes various physical evidence you

595
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,960
begin to realize something is going on

596
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:27,200
out there and everybody's not making up

597
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,400
these stories

598
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,720
and when you begin to get so many little

599
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,480
details from different people

600
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,000
who have no way of knowing each other

601
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:35,760
especially in the 70s for example when

602
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,559
there was no

603
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,320
cell phones no internet people didn't

604
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,600
have a way to communicate

605
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,679
a lot of this information and over the

606
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,919
years you get some really interesting

607
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:44,880
detailed

608
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:54,070
now more recently we've been receiving

609
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,760
a lot of ufo reports mostly orbs

610
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,159
a lot of warb reports especially coming

611
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:01,919
out of your area

612
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:04,720
out in around pittsburgh and in western

613
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,029
have there's been has there been an

614
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:11,039
increase is those type of settings

615
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,760
for you um i hear about them quite often

616
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,760
and you know again i started talking

617
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,679
about this years and years ago i started

618
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,520
investing what i called the many ufos

619
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,679
back in the 1960s

620
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:25,200
and even today you don't hear a lot of

621
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,799
people talk about that i mean they might

622
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,400
use the term

623
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,520
orbs it may or may not be exactly the

624
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,360
same thing but maybe what people are in

625
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,559
fact describing

626
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:36,480
and when i investigated those cases back

627
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,919
years ago a lot of these incidents

628
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,679
whatever these objects were they were

629
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,960
generally spherical

630
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,960
but not always sometimes there was other

631
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,080
type of

632
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,960
shapes be reported but they were small

633
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,000
they were generally

634
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,840
an inch or two maybe a foot or two in

635
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,840
diameter they were small

636
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:56,159
but the interesting point was they were

637
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,600
low to the ground

638
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,159
they came very close to people i mean

639
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,760
i've had a case where people

640
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,039
i mean they got to reach out and grab

641
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:05,120
these things they were so close i've had

642
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,400
them in recent years

643
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,360
pacing cars go entering vehicles through

644
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,120
open windows entering people's

645
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:14,400
homes through open windows uh fly around

646
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,120
glide around

647
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,559
gently go back out the windows but i've

648
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,840
had reports to go right through the

649
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,200
walls

650
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,440
and they're fascinating but i think the

651
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,520
more interesting thing is that

652
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,600
in more recent years not only in

653
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,960
pennsylvania

654
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,880
but all across the country i'm talking a

655
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:31,360
lot of people in the bigfoot field

656
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:34,720
and there's more and more reports of

657
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,520
these unusual generally spheres of light

658
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,799
small spheres of light

659
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,559
but once again not always sometimes

660
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,480
other odd light configurations

661
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,720
being reported in areas where there's a

662
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:47,440
lot of history of bigfoot activity or

663
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,720
you're also getting reports of a bigfoot

664
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,279
being associated with these lights

665
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:55,360
or these spheres of light and of course

666
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,630
1973. they had that incident uh

667
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:05,279
outside of pittsburgh where witnesses

668
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,240
were out there that

669
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,240
uh evening and they see this white

670
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,159
bigfoot with a white hairy bigfoot

671
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:11,919
running across the road

672
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,159
towards the woods and

673
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,440
this thing was carrying a small sphere

674
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,080
of light in one of his hands

675
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,880
and then a short time later this object

676
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,960
came across the sky

677
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:29,120
and projecting a beam like down into the

678
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,320
woods where the creature ran into

679
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,880
and um in more recent years there have

680
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,640
been other somewhat similar kind of

681
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,760
reports coming in

682
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,360
there was an incident outside of

683
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,480
pittsburgh in 2019

684
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,360
and um from my memory here and i have to

685
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:47,200
try to look up the details if i can here

686
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:48,480
in a few minutes i'll try to look for

687
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,039
you but

688
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,960
it was early morning hours as i recall

689
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,320
and a man happened to get up and was

690
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,000
looking at his kitchen window

691
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,000
it was near a wooded area and he sees

692
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:57,600
this small bigfoot maybe

693
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,039
four to five feet tall and

694
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:03,279
it's running across the road or rather

695
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,320
through his yard

696
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,320
towards this wooded area and enters a

697
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:08,960
particular area

698
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,720
of the woods and

699
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,480
as soon as the creature entered that

700
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:15,760
area there was within

701
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,200
seconds at the same exact location

702
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,960
a bright sphere of light about three or

703
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,520
four inches diameter suddenly appeared

704
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,200
and he said it was like looking directly

705
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,960
into the front of a flashlight

706
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,480
but it was only about four feet or so

707
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,200
off the ground and he said

708
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,960
it moved a short distance and then it

709
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,520
vanished and a few seconds later

710
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:38,000
the light came back on about 10 feet

711
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,799
away

712
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,360
and this time the small sphere emitted a

713
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,120
bright beam of light

714
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,840
that extended out about 10 to 12 feet it

715
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,440
suddenly disappeared and vanishing was

716
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,039
gone

717
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:51,279
so there's something going on with the

718
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:52,559
slight phenomena

719
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,600
and the association with bigfoot and i

720
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:57,360
started noticing this uh

721
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,880
that connection back in 1972 when we had

722
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,400
a series of incidents

723
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,080
uh here in westmoreland county in a

724
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,520
wooded area where people lived around

725
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,640
there for years and years

726
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:09,520
and nothing had ever happened then

727
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,480
suddenly

728
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,480
the people around there began to report

729
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:14,960
loud screams and cries and howls

730
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,000
something heavy walking in the woods uh

731
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:20,000
they they actually saw a bigfoot

732
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,039
creature chasing

733
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,000
a dog they found strange footprints

734
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:26,000
strange lights and they began to report

735
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,520
these small little

736
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,200
spheres of light very close to their

737
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,440
homes under bushes and trees

738
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:33,440
so that's when i first began to realize

739
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,909
we have a question in the chat um

740
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,470
do you have any instances where the

741
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,840
witnesses have had any sort of

742
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,159
communication

743
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,720
with any of the beings that you uh

744
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,279
report about

745
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,520
actually yes and it's something that's

746
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,200
not commonly talked about

747
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,520
and i can tell you with my cases it's

748
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,120
extremely rare

749
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,520
and it's mainly because it's strange

750
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,279
enough for a witness

751
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,720
to share their experience with for

752
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,399
example singing a bigfoot

753
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,159
but when there's some other even

754
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,679
stranger elements

755
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,360
it's much harder for them to even want

756
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,600
to discuss it but

757
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,520
uh this has happened there have been

758
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,600
reports and not only in pennsylvania but

759
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:21,120
in fact it seems to be more common out

760
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,000
in the west

761
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:24,640
in the pacific northwest i understand

762
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,200
where

763
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,679
some people claim that they've had

764
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:30,960
telepathic communication with a bigfoot

765
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,559
and um again here in pennsylvania

766
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,640
it's maybe a handful of cases over the

767
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:38,000
years i've had and they're all pretty

768
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,799
interesting

769
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,679
but there was one particular case that i

770
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:42,720
won't forget

771
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,399
because i was there when it happened and

772
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,039
there was information revealed at that

773
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,960
time when i was there allegedly from the

774
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,840
creature

775
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,760
to a witness who was among a group of

776
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,320
people where they had called me out

777
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,240
not far from the chestnut ridge which

778
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,840
i'm sure we'll talk about

779
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,360
and there have been frequent bigfoot

780
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,799
sightings and these people had seen this

781
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,960
thing and this one person said that

782
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,240
they felt that this thing had been

783
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,159
trying to communicate with them and that

784
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,440
evening that person

785
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,880
told us as i'm there that this creature

786
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,840
was saying

787
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,480
that there would be a ufo sighting the

788
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,320
next morning tomorrow morning

789
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,640
in another county in indiana county

790
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:22,240
about 15 miles away

791
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,000
over homer city and guess what

792
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,799
early the next morning over homer city

793
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:30,640
there's this very loud

794
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,000
low strange sound in the sky that was so

795
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,320
unusual with multiple people calling in

796
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,840
it led to a search by the fire

797
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:39,440
departments and the police and made the

798
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:40,640
news

799
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,789
wow uh we also had someone who asked how

800
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:51,760
many law enforcement testimonials

801
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,200
have uh bro have been brought forward

802
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,440
about having witnessed these creatures

803
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,520
in other words are you do you have

804
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,039
officials or

805
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,600
local authority making reports or

806
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,600
getting involved with these uh these

807
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:07,520
cases

808
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:10,880
uh over the years i interviewed many

809
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,080
many uh local police officers state

810
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,520
troopers over the years

811
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,240
who were witnesses to various phenomena

812
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,520
some of which included

813
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:22,080
uh bigfoot encounters or other other

814
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:23,520
cryptids and i'll tell you about one of

815
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:24,799
those in a few minutes

816
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,679
but uh i i started interviewing she's

817
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,159
going back of course the early 70s

818
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,080
uh there were police officers that told

819
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,600
me they encountered a bigfoot during

820
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,640
that time

821
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,159
uh there were others i remember down in

822
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,159
the mon valley area probably in early

823
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,840
70s as well

824
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,360
but there have been other reports since

825
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,320
then and there have been other

826
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,679
investigators that i know that

827
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:45,279
interviewed other police officers as

828
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,159
well

829
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:49,360
so yes a lot of these people have talked

830
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,000
to me about

831
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,120
incidents they were involved in um

832
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,440
and it's fascinating and again of the

833
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,120
witnesses i've interviewed they come

834
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:59,039
from all walks of life men women and

835
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,159
children

836
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,080
they're professionals many are

837
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,159
professionals they're school teachers or

838
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,720
engineers or scientists or

839
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:09,200
hunters outdoors and police officers

840
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,559
what do they have to gain

841
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,120
they want no publicity most of them are

842
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,640
very confused about what they saw

843
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,480
because they can't figure it out

844
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,000
they don't want to anybody to know who

845
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,159
they are why would you make up such a

846
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,840
story but their stories are very

847
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,559
interesting

848
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,600
and of course one of those more

849
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,440
interesting cases

850
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,720
um occurred back in

851
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,080
august of 73 now excuse me

852
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,519
august of 2017

853
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,919
and um that was one of the stranger

854
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,000
cases you know i've talked about

855
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,919
and this this was a police officer on

856
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:45,519
patrol

857
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,640
here in southwestern pennsylvania and uh

858
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,640
he was patrolling a raw area that he

859
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,399
commonly was controlled in so he knew

860
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,360
the area well

861
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:56,080
and they see something on the ground

862
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,480
that

863
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:58,640
um it was kind of a very dull white

864
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,760
light that's a round light on the ground

865
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,360
and he stops his patrol car he's

866
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,960
thinking i don't remember ever seeing

867
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,000
any lights or

868
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,240
artificial lighting on the ground and as

869
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,080
he's watching

870
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,039
this light suddenly rises up or like

871
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,880
stands up from the ground

872
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,720
and as he's watching and he realized it

873
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,320
was this weirdest strangest thing he'd

874
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,919
ever seen

875
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,159
and what he was actually seeing was the

876
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,159
head of a strange being

877
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,640
about six feet tall or even larger it

878
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:29,600
was tall and almost skeletal thin

879
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,120
and uh the the dull

880
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,240
luminosity of the of the of the ball

881
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:37,840
that he saw was actually the head of the

882
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,480
creature

883
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,159
that was illuminating the upper section

884
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,000
of the body and he only

885
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,159
saw it for a very quick time it turned

886
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,080
and he said it moved off it was the

887
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,760
fastest thing he'd ever seen the way it

888
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,960
moved

889
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,279
and uh he said he assumed it ran but he

890
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,600
couldn't see his legs at that point

891
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,519
and he said the head was made by eight

892
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,600
to ten inches diameter

893
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,279
kind of shaped like a ball but it could

894
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:01,200
have been more egg shaped hillary wasn't

895
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,080
certain

896
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,000
he said the light was kind of a dull

897
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:06,399
white it illuminated the shoulders the

898
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:06,720
top

899
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,960
arms he could not see its hands

900
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,279
chest is about 18 inches across waist

901
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,720
appeared to be small

902
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,760
and the arms were unusually long and

903
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:20,159
the limbs looked skeletal with their

904
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,960
muscle mass

905
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,279
and the skin tone was a dull grayish

906
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,399
blue

907
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,480
and he could not see any facial features

908
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,600
at all

909
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:30,559
and it was it was kind of sickly looking

910
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:31,039
and

911
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,240
um that thing was gone he pulled his

912
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,919
vehicle up put a spotlight on

913
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,000
there was no tracks or anything around

914
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,159
but that was kind of the beginning

915
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,640
of the series of other similar reports

916
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,159
that were coming in from different areas

917
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,080
across the state

918
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,640
in fact interestingly this case i'll

919
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,000
tell you about right now it happened

920
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,399
probably just a couple weeks after that

921
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,760
one and this person didn't know anything

922
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:54,960
about that

923
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,679
and i interviewed this woman again a few

924
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,880
days ago

925
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,200
and this happened uh she's from that

926
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,039
area there i i guess

927
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,080
30 some miles away and this happened uh

928
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:07,760
during when evening

929
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,800
and it's about dusk

930
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,599
and there's this object in the sky over

931
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,119
top of the trees like a disc with

932
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,879
multiple lights on it uh

933
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,599
bobbing around and she said what was so

934
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,520
unusual was there was something hanging

935
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,960
down from the object

936
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,800
kind of looked like an electrified rope

937
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,639
made up of neon lights hanging down from

938
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,760
the object

939
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,000
and shortly after that and as the

940
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:32,480
thing's still hovering there

941
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,320
shears this very loud incredibly weird

942
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,679
sound

943
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,440
uh she thought it was like a loud steady

944
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,359
and almost an angry noise

945
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,280
and she's familiar with the owls in the

946
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,520
area she said that's not what it was

947
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,760
so as this object is still hovering

948
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,599
there

949
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:52,000
she noticed this figure approaching from

950
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,280
about

951
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,320
40 feet away and

952
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,920
assumed at that point it was a neighbor

953
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,599
of somebody this thing's maybe around

954
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,960
six foot tall

955
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,960
and said that the head was kind of egg

956
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,280
shaped that color the creature was odd

957
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,960
getting impression it was sickly looking

958
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,079
and poor health

959
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,480
looked like a very light cream to an

960
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,680
ivory color

961
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,680
but could not see any facial features

962
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,880
again

963
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,280
and appear to be thin and hairless

964
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,640
similar what the police officer had

965
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:19,920
described

966
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:23,119
and um it actually approached at one

967
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,320
point

968
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,440
it approached her and came uh

969
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:30,320
i believe to about 20 feet away from her

970
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,720
and

971
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,200
she was so frightened she said she was

972
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,320
just so scared

973
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,640
she just couldn't even move or talk and

974
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,320
then suddenly it just seemed to fade

975
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,760
away and disappear

976
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,000
and at that point she ran into the house

977
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,160
the ufo was still hovering there

978
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,480
when she got her nerve uh lookout later

979
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,920
probably a couple hours later

980
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,240
she saw neither one at that time and

981
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,320
then the reports continued and got even

982
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,079
summoned reports were even stranger

983
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:55,760
of something similar and i know you've

984
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:59,119
had those kind of reports as well

985
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:02,960
yeah these uh these hairless

986
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,160
pale colored humanoids

987
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,200
and that's something that i'm getting

988
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,760
more and more you know as time goes on

989
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,359
and of course we've got a couple here in

990
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,720
pennsylvania

991
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,599
but you know you know with that story or

992
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,359
that account you just

993
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,079
mentioned it it seems that they're you

994
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:24,720
know these may be ufo related possible

995
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,310
well we don't know that's the only one i

996
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,440
can think of

997
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,359
that there was a ufo reported in

998
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:34,480
conjunction with

999
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,280
deciding but other reports that it was

1000
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,880
not that i'm aware of

1001
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,839
but i mean you know some of the people

1002
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:43,040
were counting these things i mean

1003
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,160
there's a shock that was there was

1004
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:45,599
another fellow

1005
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,680
and this would have been okay probably

1006
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,599
within weeks of the of the sighting i

1007
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,359
just told you about in another area

1008
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,880
southwest pennsylvania

1009
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,280
and this guy basically his home is in

1010
00:37:03,990 --> 00:36:58,560
the woods

1011
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:04,000
enjoys doing

1012
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,920
and he had heard a sound a bipedal sound

1013
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,040
he knew the ears

1014
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,800
lived a deer up there and he knew it was

1015
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,560
not deer and it it kind of frightened

1016
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,839
him because it didn't sound normal and

1017
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,520
he went back down to his home

1018
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,920
and a short time later he's sitting

1019
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,079
there at the kitchen table

1020
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,119
and 10 feet away there's the

1021
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,320
the large unobstructed back door

1022
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,240
so there's no curtains or anything on it

1023
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,240
and here's this

1024
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,560
six and a half seven foot tall skeletal

1025
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,359
thin

1026
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,320
humanoid creature hairless bent down

1027
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:38,000
with luminous glowing yellow eyes

1028
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,230
i mean and it goes on and on yeah yeah

1029
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,839
we had a report out

1030
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,200
uh out your way out

1031
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,760
near closer to pittsburgh of something

1032
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:55,920
that this gentleman saw

1033
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,839
in the woods that

1034
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,520
i don't know what this thing was i mean

1035
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,520
it was it was actually

1036
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:05,760
moving from tree to tree but it was kind

1037
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:08,720
of lower to the ground it was bizarre

1038
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,880
uh actually it you know when i talked to

1039
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,680
eric about it uh eric galtman he said

1040
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,119
the location

1041
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,920
was actually real real close to where he

1042
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,520
works at

1043
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,079
so i don't know what this person saw but

1044
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,160
yeah you're right these

1045
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,200
these bizarre pale humanoid settings are

1046
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,480
popping up more and more i got a um

1047
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,560
i got another question in here where

1048
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:35,839
someone asked

1049
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,440
if bigfoot and little people

1050
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,640
or i guess in general any type of

1051
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,480
humanoid even the ones

1052
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:46,400
that you're mentioning now uh could

1053
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,790
you know it it's so hard to say it's

1054
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,960
again it's such a complex phenomenon i'm

1055
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,400
not sure exactly what to talk about

1056
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:57,440
we're talking about

1057
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,800
you know back in the 60s 70s some years

1058
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:01,599
since then

1059
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,720
especially back in those days 60s 70s

1060
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,680
there were a number of reports of ufo

1061
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,440
landing cases not only in pennsylvania

1062
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,960
but again around the country

1063
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,040
and back then it was not uncommon to

1064
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,520
hear uh reports of small humanoid

1065
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,800
creatures are being reported

1066
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,320
in conjunction with some of the ufo

1067
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,079
sightings and

1068
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,760
you know we've heard about the graves

1069
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,359
people talk about the grays and other

1070
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:25,599
similar type of beings have been seen

1071
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,640
i've had reports of small entities even

1072
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,920
in recent years

1073
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,320
that basically don't walk across the

1074
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:34,000
ground but they float or glide across

1075
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,720
the ground

1076
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,800
and not only humanoids i've had reports

1077
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:38,640
of bigfoot like creatures doing the same

1078
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,359
thing

1079
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,640
that's what i'm saying there there are

1080
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,720
aspects to bigfoot most people don't

1081
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,160
know anything about

1082
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:46,640
or prefer not to talk about it because

1083
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,280
it even

1084
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,119
makes the phenomenon even stranger and

1085
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,520
stranger i mean one of the first things

1086
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,000
i began to notice back in 73

1087
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,520
when my teams would get out to some of

1088
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,520
these locations would be

1089
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,320
that there would be trails of footprints

1090
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,160
a lot of these tracks were what

1091
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,359
13 14 17 inches long but with a big

1092
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,880
stride between them

1093
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,400
and we would see them in all type of

1094
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,400
ground conditions including later

1095
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,800
in the in the wintertime in fresh heavy

1096
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,520
snow

1097
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,440
and you follow these tracks and they

1098
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,000
suddenly stop vanish and just disappear

1099
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,079
which made absolutely no sense there's

1100
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,440
no way

1101
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,280
under the conditions we found i mean you

1102
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,720
could have fabricated that

1103
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,400
and these kind of reports continuing

1104
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,560
even this year i mean even the last few

1105
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:29,920
years we're getting reports all across

1106
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,560
the state

1107
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:32,079
of people telling me the same thing

1108
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:33,440
they're seeing these big tracks in the

1109
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:34,000
snow

1110
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:35,599
they follow them they suddenly vanish

1111
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,560
and disappear

1112
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,960
it's so again i'm repeating myself the

1113
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,880
phenomenon is so strange and unusual i

1114
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,839
said years ago

1115
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:45,760
it's so strange and unusual it protects

1116
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,109
yeah well that's just good you're who's

1117
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,359
gonna believe it

1118
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,880
some of the stuff we get at the su

1119
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,200
bazaar uh you know

1120
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:58,880
of course we got a question at some

1121
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,440
point sometimes too but

1122
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,839
you know i i don't know you know it but

1123
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,400
it you know it is interesting though

1124
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,040
that you and i will get reports and

1125
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,720
other investigators in the state too

1126
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,720
that are very similar

1127
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,400
uh we may think it's strange but then

1128
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,760
when we talk to each other

1129
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:18,000
it's very similar to something somebody

1130
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:18,880
else told us

1131
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,400
so it is it's it's really

1132
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,200
really quite bizarre you know here's an

1133
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:26,560
interesting question

1134
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,359
i don't know if i've ever asked you this

1135
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:30,560
but have you ever had

1136
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,000
any types of mib or

1137
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,800
government agencies get involved with

1138
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:39,760
anything that you're investigating

1139
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,040
yes i have and um well i

1140
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,520
it's been years and years ago i can

1141
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,720
remember some of these things from

1142
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,240
memory and others i'd have to look up

1143
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,160
but i i get into some of this my other

1144
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:51,760
my books actually my uh

1145
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,560
really mysterious pennsylvania and uh

1146
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,560
silent invasion goes into it during that

1147
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,119
massive wave of 73 and 74.

1148
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,359
it is without a doubt probably one of

1149
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,599
the strangest outbreaks ever recorded it

1150
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,119
was well documented

1151
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,520
i mean i we have all the documentation

1152
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,520
on the cases it was in the news

1153
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,319
then back in 73. you got to remember was

1154
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,680
no internet back then

1155
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,000
so the local newspapers and many

1156
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,760
newspapers across the state

1157
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,119
and even some of the national news

1158
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,800
awards were picking up a lot of

1159
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,119
sightings of some of our investigations

1160
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:25,440
and it was just an amazing time to live

1161
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,160
through i mean

1162
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,839
we were out there day and night i spent

1163
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,280
weeks out there day and night

1164
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,040
continually investigating reports with

1165
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,520
my teams and we came across some very

1166
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,040
interesting things but

1167
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:38,400
it was during that time um

1168
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,760
i think it was september of 73 that i

1169
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,520
got a phone call from a fella who told

1170
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:45,280
me he worked for the government

1171
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,560
they were very interested in the

1172
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,240
research i was doing in the

1173
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,800
investigation on bigfoot

1174
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,359
i was given the name of a laboratory in

1175
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,839
washington dc in the name of a contact

1176
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,680
a phone number to call in the event that

1177
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,839
we came up with a body or anything very

1178
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:01,680
very significant

1179
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,599
and um anyhow in the weeks

1180
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:08,000
around that time i also got calls from

1181
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:08,880
other

1182
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,160
uh government um represent offices of

1183
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,079
government representative

1184
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,880
and they request a meeting which we did

1185
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,640
have i had two representatives from one

1186
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:20,000
of the congressman's office come to

1187
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,200
visit me they were

1188
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,680
very open-minded they were very

1189
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,520
interested in fact i kept in contact

1190
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,560
with him for

1191
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,680
quite a long time and i actually gave

1192
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,119
him that phone number i was giving away

1193
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,400
and they confirmed yes it was a

1194
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,079
government number

1195
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,520
and there are about other cases though

1196
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,599
over the years

1197
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,520
that i was involved in that were very

1198
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,720
interesting where

1199
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,760
some somebody who they were was a

1200
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,839
government agency was it something

1201
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,280
else i don't know of course the

1202
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,880
interesting thing was in some of those

1203
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:49,839
cases

1204
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,040
was that nobody knew about them nobody

1205
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:54,400
knew about them

1206
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,400
and um and the witnesses were contacted

1207
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,599
and um some very interesting things uh

1208
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,440
came up with some of his cases so

1209
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,680
yes i've had some cases one was the case

1210
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:06,480
where

1211
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,119
a car was riding down a major road in

1212
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,720
blair county

1213
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,200
and this object rises up out of the

1214
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:19,119
field right goes over top of the car on

1215
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:19,599
the road

1216
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,040
and lifts the car off sideways

1217
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,280
at an angle up off the road and the

1218
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,960
driver is pushed down

1219
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,640
into the driver's seat and about with

1220
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:30,400
the with her weight she's able to

1221
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,440
balance it to get back

1222
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:35,040
level and um it was a very very

1223
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,560
interesting case she had a number of

1224
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,720
different physical ailments afterwards

1225
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,319
and for what i remember and again i had

1226
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,000
to look at my notes but i guess within

1227
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,280
days

1228
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:45,119
i believe her neighbors saw this as well

1229
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,400
i think one case i think it happened

1230
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,000
twice

1231
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,880
at her home early one morning a car

1232
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,319
pulls up with i believe

1233
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,079
men in dark suits i believe they were in

1234
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,640
dark suits they had very long strips of

1235
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,280
tape

1236
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,119
they were going over every section of

1237
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:01,440
the car and so to pick up any fragments

1238
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,240
on there

1239
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,160
supposedly probably to study to see if

1240
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,839
they can find the information out

1241
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,680
but um those are just a couple of

1242
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:09,359
reports i can think of right off top of

1243
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,470
well you talk about blair county we've

1244
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:16,160
gotten some really strange things out of

1245
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,200
there

1246
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,599
i mean you know that altoona area then a

1247
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,520
little bit further south into some of

1248
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,640
the uh

1249
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,400
some of the game lands there have been a

1250
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,240
lot of especially

1251
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,079
upright canine reports coming out of

1252
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,160
their years

1253
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,359
um and go ahead

1254
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,800
yeah i was gonna say that's also an area

1255
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,480
where historically and the game lands

1256
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,599
around the area

1257
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,000
of a lot of ufo sightings i mean low

1258
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,319
level not high altitude lights work on

1259
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,000
large structured objects low to the

1260
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,200
ground and um

1261
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,800
and i know there's been bigfoot activity

1262
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,839
up through that area and then when you

1263
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:51,359
get down through

1264
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,119
um came cambria county and you get into

1265
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,640
indiana county then you're going down

1266
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:58,160
towards the ridge down this way and

1267
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,119
through those areas

1268
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,960
there's been a lot of history of all

1269
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,720
kind of phenomena this is going on

1270
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,839
everywhere

1271
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,720
and people don't realize how much this

1272
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,839
is taking place

1273
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,760
we can't even begin to imagine because i

1274
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,079
know you found the same thing

1275
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,079
there is no clearinghouse for these kind

1276
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:16,400
of reports i get many reports you get

1277
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,280
many reports

1278
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,960
there's other researchers i know they

1279
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,800
get reports there's other organizations

1280
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,760
that get reports

1281
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,760
there's no one depository for all the

1282
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,000
cases we don't even begin to know how

1283
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,560
much of this is going on

1284
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,640
oh yeah you're right there is a yeah

1285
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:31,760
you're right

1286
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,910
it is i mean it's it we get all you know

1287
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,800
i know

1288
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,040
most of the researchers in pennsylvania

1289
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:42,800
or people investigate

1290
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,880
but it you know even if somebody is not

1291
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,000
known to us

1292
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,920
you know they're getting setting reports

1293
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,200
you're right

1294
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,520
if there was some type of clearing house

1295
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,000
where we could put this stuff together

1296
00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:58,480
i mean i would welcome that absolutely i

1297
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,870
and and as you said you know when we

1298
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,800
when we on a rare occasion get together

1299
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,640
or when we do radio shows and

1300
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,400
you talk witnesses you talk to other

1301
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,800
people you and i both researchers

1302
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,079
we talk about some of those little

1303
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,520
details that come out and where

1304
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,800
everybody's surprised

1305
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,160
that's the same kind of thing i'm

1306
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,520
finding out and you know one of those

1307
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,520
and we've talked about this before and

1308
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,440
i started mentioning this about three or

1309
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,800
four years ago and then you started

1310
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,640
saying yeah i'm noticing it too

1311
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:29,359
is that in some cases i've had where

1312
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,920
people were

1313
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,000
physically very close to bigfoot or

1314
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,599
other cryptids

1315
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,520
they noticed an interesting reaction

1316
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,119
from the creatures

1317
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,920
and that was that you know a lot of the

1318
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,400
cases with the observation of kryptos

1319
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,680
they don't seem to be bothered

1320
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:45,920
whatsoever when people are close by

1321
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,960
but in some cases they seem to realize

1322
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,960
that they could be seen by the human

1323
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:51,760
witness

1324
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,319
and they became very startled and very

1325
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,559
upset and there was a strong reaction

1326
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,400
and i think that might well be a clue to

1327
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,079
what's going on

1328
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,920
well you're right i mean and that's

1329
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,760
something we've been you know you and i

1330
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,920
both have been noticing and you know i i

1331
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,319
have had several witnesses tell me

1332
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,480
that they would you know say they'd be

1333
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,280
in the woods and they'd see this thing

1334
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,400
and they just would watch it

1335
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,440
and this thing would turn towards them

1336
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,280
and notice that they were looking at

1337
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,800
them and they would react

1338
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,040
i mean they would react not like they

1339
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:27,280
were just running away but they would

1340
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,160
look at them

1341
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,319
surprised and they could see that

1342
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,559
surprise look on their face

1343
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,520
uh that you know that's not just with

1344
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,599
bigfoot as well i mean i think these

1345
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:39,440
upright canines

1346
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,960
uh i've kind of reacted to some people

1347
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,200
you know realizing that they could see

1348
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:47,680
them i mean is it to the point where

1349
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,440
these cryptids believe that they're

1350
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,559
they're either cloaked or you know not

1351
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,319
being able to be seen

1352
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,440
and then realize that oops you know

1353
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,839
i'm being seen you know am i you know

1354
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,280
are they trying to stay

1355
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,000
cloaked at some point are there certain

1356
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,920
people who can see them and others they

1357
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,040
can't

1358
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,720
i mean that's that's an interesting

1359
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,319
question

1360
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,640
and again that you know that's something

1361
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,559
that i i started again talking about

1362
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,319
years ago that i began to study the

1363
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,000
backgrounds of witnesses oh this is

1364
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:21,760
going back to the 70s

1365
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,119
and i began to realize interviewing a

1366
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,800
lot of witnesses began to study their

1367
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:28,319
backgrounds as best i could but you got

1368
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,200
to remember

1369
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,359
you know you're limited there's no

1370
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,599
funding i have two organizations of

1371
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,680
hundreds of people investigating reports

1372
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,760
i'm working full-time have a family so

1373
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,440
you're limited just can't do everything

1374
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:41,920
but what i began to learn was that

1375
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,800
it may well be possible that one there

1376
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,599
are a lot of

1377
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,280
sporadic encounters with various

1378
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:48,960
creatures that different people see

1379
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:52,079
but there are some people from the time

1380
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,880
there are little

1381
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,960
throughout their life that they have

1382
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:56,640
encounters with various paranormal

1383
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:57,440
phenomena

1384
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:01,119
and cryptids and ufos and it may well be

1385
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,559
that certain people

1386
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,960
have certain abilities they're able to

1387
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,960
perceive certain phenomena other people

1388
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,839
can't

1389
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,079
and it may well be that the phenomena

1390
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,880
might be attracted to them

1391
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,559
yeah i think there's something to that i

1392
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:16,720
really do you know there's something

1393
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:17,359
else that's

1394
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:20,559
been popping up more and more are these

1395
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:23,760
glimmer man settings in other words

1396
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,040
uh you know if you

1397
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,960
understand what i'm talking about like

1398
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:31,119
with the predator movies and these cloak

1399
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,160
beings

1400
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,920
and they kind of had that glimmer

1401
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,400
shimmering effect to them

1402
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,400
i mean what do you think you think that

1403
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:40,880
these may be cryptids that are

1404
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:44,960
cloaking at some point uh

1405
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:48,640
i mean is that is that a possibility

1406
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,920
it's yeah i i keep repeat myself and i'm

1407
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,359
saying the more i know about it the

1408
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,480
stranger it is

1409
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,319
and talk to other researchers around the

1410
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,720
country for years and years

1411
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:01,440
it's so it's so unusual it's so hard to

1412
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,400
believe but

1413
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,280
one thing i believe to be true is that i

1414
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,880
noticed that there was an energy

1415
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:08,079
connection

1416
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,160
to one low-level close range

1417
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,480
ufo encounters so we're not tall lights

1418
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,920
in the sky we're talking the instant of

1419
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,680
large structured objects

1420
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,839
that are seen in great detail low to the

1421
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,000
ground and close to witnesses

1422
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,240
and encounters with bigfoot and other

1423
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,160
cryptids they commonly occur

1424
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,319
in the vicinity of high energy sources

1425
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,280
so you've got many many reports

1426
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,920
around uh once again high tension power

1427
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,280
lines

1428
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:38,079
power plants railroad tracks radio

1429
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:39,040
towers

1430
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,319
gas wells gas lines reservoirs rivers

1431
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,880
sources of energy i have no doubt

1432
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:46,800
there's energy connection to it

1433
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,920
and the salmon reports are so bizarre i

1434
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,760
mean they're reports of balls of light

1435
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,280
that change in the creatures

1436
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:55,200
creature creatures are changing to other

1437
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,400
creatures

1438
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,079
and another thing with bigfoot that some

1439
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,760
people never hear about there have been

1440
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:01,280
incidents and i think you probably have

1441
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,839
some too

1442
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,160
i know other researchers have where a

1443
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,319
bigfoot is seen

1444
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,280
being accompanied by another cryptid so

1445
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,800
you might have a

1446
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,480
a bigfoot in the black panther scene

1447
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,559
together or not a place animal

1448
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,400
in the case of black panthers and that's

1449
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,079
another whole phenomena

1450
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,920
that i've uncovered some very weird

1451
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,000
things about we've had three black

1452
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:24,240
panther sightings here in western pa

1453
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,750
yeah you know that that is something

1454
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,160
that does pop up especially out there

1455
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:36,079
on the ridge where it does seem to be

1456
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,599
some correlation

1457
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,920
between two tips different types of

1458
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,280
cryptids

1459
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,680
that you wouldn't even you know you

1460
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,119
wouldn't even think had anything

1461
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,440
in relation to each other i guess i

1462
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:49,359
guess it's possible that it's it's

1463
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:49,839
something

1464
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:54,640
that's very similar to with the ufo

1465
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,720
alien bigfoot connection as well

1466
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,040
well you know i've had these

1467
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,119
well-documented cases with ufos and

1468
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,559
bigfoot scenes together

1469
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,559
at the same time in place and of course

1470
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,400
that famous case that occurred october

1471
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,559
25th 73 in fayette county

1472
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,000
you know near the ridge area where

1473
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,559
there's so many reports year after year

1474
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,839
and i mean that was such a well

1475
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,359
documented case we had multiple

1476
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,119
eyewitnesses observing this

1477
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,400
barn sized object landed in the field

1478
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,559
and even though was a big red sphere in

1479
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,119
the sky when it went down

1480
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,960
when the three witnesses went up to the

1481
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,040
pasture to investigate

1482
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,720
and this object is on the ground to

1483
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,319
right above it now it's about 100 feet

1484
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,119
in diameter but it's a big white dome

1485
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:38,960
making this high-pitched winding noise

1486
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,520
illuminating the area

1487
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,359
but again the short part of the story is

1488
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,760
there were two bigfoot creatures in the

1489
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,160
field at the same time

1490
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,319
and that was amazing that was the case

1491
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,280
that really convinced my team and myself

1492
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,720
that there's something more going on

1493
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,480
here than any of us had ever realized

1494
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,760
because you know when i

1495
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,359
got involved in investigating bigfoot

1496
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:01,680
back in the 60s i mean i was fully

1497
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,880
convinced that bigfoot

1498
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,200
was some type of unknown animal some

1499
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,200
type of unknown animal species

1500
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,720
i wasn't looking for any of these

1501
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,280
strange things but as the events of the

1502
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,119
70s began to unfold

1503
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,720
and you interviewed so many different

1504
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,359
people just normal people had no

1505
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,720
interest in these kind of reports in

1506
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,920
most cases

1507
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,240
and they're telling you about seeing the

1508
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:24,000
strange lights on their farm and then

1509
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,440
hearing screams and then seeing a

1510
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,359
bigfoot and you've got all these other

1511
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:29,359
reports coming in from widespread areas

1512
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,640
of the state

1513
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,319
and and they're still continuing to

1514
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:34,400
occur and again not only in pennsylvania

1515
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:35,599
but around the country and around the

1516
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:36,079
world

1517
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,839
similar reports but you don't hear a lot

1518
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:41,440
about them even though in more recent

1519
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,880
years you're beginning to hear more

1520
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,520
about it

1521
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,880
you're hearing more people in the

1522
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:47,200
bigfoot field beginning to talk about it

1523
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,839
now

1524
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,040
there have been several new books

1525
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,799
written about it in the last couple of

1526
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,680
years

1527
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,400
and it's getting out more and more so at

1528
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,839
least people are becoming more

1529
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,280
open-minded because

1530
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,960
they ask the same question i did years

1531
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:00,799
ago if bigfoot's real

1532
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,799
where's the bodies well exactly

1533
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,319
i mean you know that's something we've

1534
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,160
been looking

1535
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,119
and asking questions about for decades

1536
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,680
you know where the body's at and uh

1537
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:14,960
yeah you're right there there just

1538
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,240
seemed to be an uh more open mindedness

1539
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:21,760
to the theories that these beings may

1540
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:26,079
either be able to move within realities

1541
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:30,480
or is possibly some type of being that

1542
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,760
that's being transported from craft and

1543
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,960
such

1544
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,359
you know i i hear so many crazy things

1545
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,599
as you do and uh

1546
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,680
you know as time goes on they they

1547
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:42,799
aren't as crazy

1548
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,160
as you merely think they were that's it

1549
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,880
but one thing again i'm not suggesting

1550
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:50,640
that bigfoot

1551
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,839
is a passenger in a ufo

1552
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,599
because we won't even know for sure what

1553
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,599
the ufos are i mean we have been had

1554
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,119
memories over the years

1555
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,799
i said for years there's more than one

1556
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,799
origin to the unknown category

1557
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,760
but again with many ufo reports i

1558
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,280
receive even in daylight

1559
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,799
suddenly you have these objects that

1560
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,960
suddenly appear out of nowhere

1561
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:13,760
some look physically solid they suddenly

1562
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,160
change

1563
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,319
physical form from one form to another

1564
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,559
they suddenly appear and disappear

1565
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,799
there's similar similarities to what

1566
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,119
some of the bigfoot reports we have

1567
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,960
i think more and more as we look into

1568
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,799
these phenomena that a lot of the

1569
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,160
paranormal stuff

1570
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,319
that a lot of the crypto stuff and ufo

1571
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,640
stuff it's somehow all related somehow

1572
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,160
we just don't understand

1573
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,839
it's beyond our present scientific

1574
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,000
understanding and i think one day we'll

1575
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,760
know a lot more but right now we just

1576
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:40,799
don't

1577
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:44,160
yeah oh i agree with you and uh

1578
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,839
you know i i think with a lot of the

1579
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:47,680
reports that we are getting

1580
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,920
more recently i think this uh connection

1581
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,960
theory is conducive to what we're seeing

1582
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,599
so uh yeah hopefully we're gonna get

1583
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,200
some answers

1584
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,400
you know it's strained because uh

1585
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,799
like these winged humanoids that

1586
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,480
sightings were getting

1587
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:09,280
especially in the area around uh o'hare

1588
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:09,680
and

1589
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:14,079
the rosemont area we we are getting

1590
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,680
alien beings or alien-like beings

1591
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,920
uh being associated and being seen with

1592
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:20,720
these

1593
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,319
sightings as well and

1594
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,440
uh the ufo activity according to

1595
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:31,760
witnesses that we have been talking to

1596
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:35,119
is picking up around o'hara so

1597
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:39,280
uh i don't know what is going on and why

1598
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:40,400
this is happening

1599
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,400
but uh you know i it's funny that the

1600
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:46,240
personnel at the airport i mean you know

1601
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:46,880
the

1602
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,599
quiet as much as possible but

1603
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,680
you know the people that are working

1604
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,280
there and you know they're

1605
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:57,599
they're seeing it and it's starting to

1606
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,559
get out so

1607
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,200
hopefully you know we're gonna get some

1608
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:04,240
more information as far as that goes so

1609
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,799
so stan what do you have going on um

1610
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,559
what's coming up i know you're you said

1611
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,920
you're working on a book is there

1612
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,880
anything else

1613
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,119
i know the cove at 19 has things all

1614
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,880
screwed up for all of us

1615
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,040
but uh you know what do you have what

1616
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,119
plans do you have

1617
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,280
well unfortunately you're right i had

1618
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,520
multitudes of speaking events uh

1619
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,359
that was set up for 2020 and of course

1620
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,720
everything has been canceled or being

1621
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,760
canceled

1622
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,440
and uh so i've been pretty much stuck

1623
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,119
here in the house just uh

1624
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,200
doing reports and getting investigations

1625
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,720
and interviewing witnesses and doing

1626
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,079
radio interviews and

1627
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,480
working on my book so i'm keeping busy

1628
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,079
uh you know there's a lot of talk about

1629
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,760
having events next year but we're all

1630
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,040
gonna have to wait and see what happens

1631
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,640
because nobody knows it's

1632
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,880
it's you know it's like i always said

1633
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,680
this whole

1634
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,240
virus situation it's like a sci-fi movie

1635
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,640
with no ending

1636
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,520
that's a good analogy uh well stan

1637
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:59,040
thanks again for coming on the show i

1638
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:00,799
appreciate you coming on

1639
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,240
always good talking to you and uh

1640
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,079
my friend i hope i hope we just keep

1641
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,680
getting more and more reports you know

1642
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:08,960
it's interesting

1643
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,359
even though there is there is a lockdown

1644
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:12,880
or there was a lockdown

1645
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,920
with this covered uh situation we're

1646
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,359
still getting reports

1647
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,280
uh it really hasn't slowed that up at

1648
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:20,720
all

1649
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,400
year long

1650
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:26,319
other reports are coming in it's just

1651
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,680
amazing that's for sure

1652
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,280
people can go to my website by the way

1653
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,280
at stan gordon dot info for

1654
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:33,200
some reports and other information and

1655
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:35,839
my books are available on amazon.com

1656
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:39,119
and barnesandnoble.com absolutely but

1657
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,680
then

1658
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,599
thanks again stan and uh we'll be

1659
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:43,280
talking soon

1660
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,799
all right thanks for having me back on

1661
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:46,880
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1662
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,750
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1663
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,160
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1664
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,680
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1665
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,680
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1666
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,839
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1667
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1668
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,359
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1669
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,520
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1670
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,400
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1671
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1672
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,400
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1673
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,079
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1674
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,119
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1675
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1676
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,240
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1677
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,319
you know i again want to thank stan for

1678
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:26,160
stan gordon for coming on the show this

1679
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,119
evening

1680
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,680
and i especially want to thank you for

1681
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,200
listening to the show

1682
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,599
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